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#1 2007-09-17 01:43:05

Nicholas
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The age of the universe

Astronomers calculate the age of the universe by taking the time it takes for light from the most distant object to reach us. That is 13 billion years. They need to include the time it took the universe to expand and carry that object to that distance. Once the universal expansion time is included the age of the universe is calculated to be 35 billion.

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#2 2007-09-20 08:06:45

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Re: The age of the universe

I would like to know your thoughts on the Big Bang Theory, or how the universe became what it is now.


   Thanks


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#3 2007-09-24 03:57:12

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Re: The age of the universe

It is much bigger than we see by 13 billion years. We know that the most distant object is 13 billion years ahead of what we see in time.

Big Bang ZERO. Hypersphere point.

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#4 2007-09-29 06:39:01

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Re: The age of the universe

How did it happen?  What went bang?


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#5 2007-10-05 03:59:37

Nicholas
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Re: The age of the universe

The bang was matter radiating.

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#6 2007-10-05 09:16:58

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Re: The age of the universe

How did it happen?    Where did this matter come from?

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#7 2007-10-07 01:32:08

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Re: The age of the universe

It comes from God.

This universe doesn't work without God.

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#8 2007-10-07 03:22:18

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Re: The age of the universe

Wow!  When all else fails give the responsibilty to God.  That is the timeless answer man has used to explain the unexplainable.  Why even be curious about the world around you when it is all under Gods control.  Look this whole God thing is another topic that can be argued about, so I do not see how this answers the question of the Big Bang for those who do not believe in God.  Remember if God really existed he would not be part of a faith or belief.  Paris Hilton is alive and existing, and even though many people have never met her they know that she exists.  Her existance is not based on belief or faith. 

If the God that you believe in is real, then so are all of the other Gods people belive in.  That means that there really are 72 virgins waiting for the Islamic terrorists when they die.

I was hoping that we could have had a scientific disscusion about the bang, instead of you just giving up and taking the God way out.

  Here is what I wrote to someone else that used God to explain the unexplainable:

I do not want what I am about to say to come across as some  sort of a personal attack on you or your beliefs.  I am curious on how a person that is trained in using facts and logic to  help understand the world around him can allow himself to believe in  anything.

Man uses beliefs to fill in his blanks in understanding  something. The only reason he does not understand something is because he does not have the facts or reality of an occurrence, so he invents  answers. Believing in something does not make it true. In fact once someone invents an answer for question he can’t answer, he will stop  looking for the true or real reason behind the mysterious occurrence.


So  I do not see why you would stop looking for answers to how the universe  got here, God is the easy way out. If God and all the stories in the  Bible were absolute fact, they would not be part of a faith, because  nothing that is real or actually happened is dependent on faith. American history, planetary orbits, repair manuals, reference books,  ohms law, these are not dependent on faith or a belief. It seems that  turning to faith means to give up wanting to know and just let someone  or something be responsible for knowing. Where is the desire to discover  new things about the world around you in just believing and leaving it  at that? It is like posting a sign saying “Nothing to see here “.  Why not continue to use logic and facts to understand the Universe?
Look I am not against people believing in their Gods, but I have found so  many inconsistencies in the Bible that it just can not be true or used  as an answer book to the reason why we are here or how it all came  about. Not all the worlds religions can be right, but they all can be wrong.

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#9 2007-10-07 03:29:02

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Re: The age of the universe

Nicholas wrote:

It comes from God.

This universe doesn't work without God.

You are part of this universe right?  So when you decide to do something, are you deciding to do it or is God deciding to have you tie your shoe and so uses you like a puppet to get your shoes tied?

You make the decision to do it without God telling you to do it, so that works without God.

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#10 2007-10-08 03:13:38

Nicholas
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Re: The age of the universe

No steve.

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#11 2007-11-28 05:51:36

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Re: The age of the universe

I don't believe in god. It is religious and based upon mythological creatures.

Unless you have a scientific definition of what god is , which I'd like to know more about. For all i know you could be calling energy god.

Please tell me more,
Thanks,
Enigma Valdez

Nicholas wrote:

It comes from God.

This universe doesn't work without God.

Last edited by enigma007 (2007-11-28 05:52:32)

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#12 2007-11-30 04:55:13

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Re: The age of the universe

Nicholas wrote:

It comes from God.

This universe doesn't work without God.

There are so many beliefs in different Gods that you have to be more specific.
Not all the worlds religions can be right, but they can all be wrong.

If Any God were a real entity they would not be part of a belief or faith.  Facts are not part of faiths or beliefs.  If God were a real person we would not have to believe he exists, things that exist are not believed to exist, we do not need faith to know about the real things around us.  Leave belief to children and Santa Clause, the tooth fairy,  and the rest of the things people used to believe in until they grew out of them.

I am only picking on this point because you used God as an answer to a simple question, and want us to take your answer as a logical answer.  What if I don’t believe in God, now what good is your answer?


I am not looking for something to believe in.

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#13 2007-12-01 01:02:58

Nicholas
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Re: The age of the universe

The way modern cosologists calculate the age of the universe is by looking at the most distant objects. These objects lie 13 billion light years out. Therefor they calculate the universe's age to be 13 billion.

What they failed to realize is that it took time for these most distant objects to get out there in the first place. That is the expansion of the universe.

Once you include the expansion of the universe you get a much older age. I have calculate that the universe has expanded for 22 billion years. It took 22 billion years for the universe to expand into what we see. It then took 13 billion years more for light emited out there to come back to us. Adding 22 billion years of spatial expansion to the time it has taken light to reach us we get an age of the universe of 35 billion years.

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