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#1 2007-03-23 12:08:21

RascalPuff
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"Time Dilation" & "Twin Paradox" comprehensible w'out mathematics.

I can only be complimented that so many intelligent people can be as attentive as they are regarding my ode to recreational education... I am compelled to return to my station at this thread and hope to match if not surpass what proves to be the original incentive for all these right and left handed compliments.

    Analyze this, if you will (as it relates to http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie):

                 PART I Scenario: Miniature & Parallel Universe

             (Copyright 2007 by K. B. Robertson, all rights reserved)
The following question originated at a dinner party among friends. There was an interesting and educational variety of answers.

Question:
In a universe parallel to ours, exactly the same in every way; with all of the galaxies - including the Milky Way, and our solar system with all our planets as they are, including earth and everything on and within it and including its inhabitants and the molecules, atoms, electrons, photons, black body radiation - except... :

that this ‘twin universe' and all of its contents was one thousand times smaller than the universe we in the here and now occupy - instead of the there & then occupation of the miniaturized universe (including all of our miniaturized selves):   would this miniaturized universal space and all of its miniaturized contents undergo and experience the same time standards as the ‘regular sized' universe we are part of?
Yes or no.

Addendum options
Time would be the same in the two compared universes.
Time would be different in the two compared universes.
If yes, please explain.
If no, please explain.

There is more to this:                                    ************************                                     

                             Part II   

Proposed Relativistic Twin Paradox solution: in a *physically expanding universe.


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An Expansive 4-D Thought Problem With a Dilatory (*mass-field) Solution:

The realm of the very small - microcosms - is said to host strong forces acting at very short distances; that are not considered to be related to large, 'weak forces of gravity', said to exist only in very large spaces and act at large distances in the very large - macrocosmic - spaces and times. So it is presently and dominantly considered, in the macrocosmic realm of the very large, exemplary, planetary-generated forces.

Gravity is thought not to occur - significantly - in the microcosmic realm of the very small. Whereas, gravity, like Gold, is actually where you find it, and how much of it you find; in large and *small, tenuous and *compact electromagnetic densities (*refer, nuclear binding forces). Moving in one of two possible - direction(s). Toward and/or away (impelling or repelling) from its material (4-D particle/charge) source.

Question: ‘Is matter expanding at the same rate of acceleration as light?'

Answer: ‘Yes, but, in a value of square (2). Consequently, the rate of acceleration is the same, but the expansion speeds vary with microcosmic (very small) and macrocosmic (very large) space-time, in a value of square.

Consider the (incorrect) distinction between electromagnetism & gravity as the status quo, i.e., the prevailing idea that microcosmic ‘nuclear binding forces', ‘are not, and cannot be' related to gravitational forces. This ‘disqualification' of any unification of microcosmic electromagnetism with gravity is based on the false, prevailing and uncontested premise alleged in the ‘difference' between large gravitational forces which cause planets to orbit, and the smaller forces which bind ‘particles' together within the atomic nucleus - sometimes called ‘nuclear resinal forces'.

In this sense, contemporary physical science still dwells in the archaic conceptual world of *Ptolemic-*Aristotelean dualization of ‘earthly & heavenly motions' - *when it was thought that the unidentified forces of the far flung universe and heavens were apart from - unrelated to - the unidentified forces acting on earth; until the time of Newton, who proved that large forces in the universe were the same forces acting on and near earth. That the fall of an apple was governed by the same forces that caused the moon to orbit the earth, and the earth's orbit around the sun...

It is said that the electromagnetic force reciprocating between an electron and a proton is 1039 times the gravitational force; the gravitational force between these two ‘particles' alleged to be ‘too weak' to be measured' at this microcosmic level.

The nuclear force which is distinquished from gravity ‘because' it is 1039 times stronger, is (microcosmic - 'earlier Moment A') gravity (unrecognized and unacknowledged by physicists): this is due to the (4-D continuum) fact that the value(s) of time is covariant with the moment(s) of space it (time/motion) occurs in...

Allow this pie plate chart design diagram < to represent the Moments A, B, and C, 4-D expansion of any given physical or spatial system, where the left-most intersection of the two lines represents earlier Moment A (the convergence of the 4-D space-time continuum emerging from out of the infinite microcosms) the right-most opening representing later Moment C, advancing into the infinite macrocosms, with the middle of this pie plate chart representing Moment B - the 'eternal now' - of the considered 4-D continuum. (The actual shape of which would account for acceleration, in a profile structure such as Riemannian geometry's representation of a 'gravity sink' <Refer 'rubber sheet analogy'; featuring Riemannian geometric shapes>).

The value of a linear, square or cubic mile of space on (earlier) Moment A earth, is not the same value as that same mile measured on (later) Moment B earth, or on (latest) Moment C earth.

When a motorist on Moment A earth drives his automobile at the speed he measures as 60 miles per hour, he is not traveling 60 of Moment B miles per Moment B hour...

Moreover, the velocity of 18 & 1/2 Moment A miles per second, traveled by Moment A earth around Moment A sun, is not the same velocity as compared with the 18 1/2 miles per second traveled by Moment B earth around Moment B sun...
Neither is the 365 1/4 days of Moment A year the same interval in time - in this case determined by the completion of an orbit around the sun - as the 365 1/4 days of Moment B or Moment C (providing that these moments could be and were compared with each other).

The velocity of light - C - in this continuum, correspondingly varies from one moment to the next, while remaining constant, relative to the space-time moment from which it originates and with which it is associated. This principle of relative velocity is what allows for an 'optical', or 'event horizon', for example.

When the ‘mini person' inhabitant of Moment A earth may look ‘up' along the positive (future) side of the 4th dimension of time, and see themselves at (later) Moment(s) B or C, they would see their own image as an incredibly huge, slow moving giant; if this slow moving giant of Moment A mini-person's future could look ‘down' along the past side of their continuously accelerating 4-D projection, they would then observe themselves as a tiny, very fast moving ‘mini-person'.

There is no way for Moment A mini-person (thinking in 3-D conceptual physics) to know that their 3 dimensions of space, and consequently their time will be relatively larger (spatially) and slower (chronologically) at (future) Moments B and C.

Conversely, there is no way for that same giant, slow moving person in (later) Moments B and C to know that the spatial dimensions and time of their entire (Moment A) universe was correspondingly more contracted in space, having proportionately smaller durations of time, at Moment A.

The false assumption is that the value of space is the same with the passage of time; that, if Moment A earth was compared to Moment B and C earth, it (the earth) would have the same uniform size and density in space, when compared with itself at different moments in time.

Newton contemplated a 4-D continuum but did not anticipate that the values of space and time would vary with different spaces and times of that continuum.

The ‘here and now' dimensions of ‘space and time' appear - and are 3-dimensionally conceptualized - to be uniform and unchanging. The law of conservation of mass-energy is not infringed upon, since this expanding continuum is always the same amount of energy distributed over an ever increasing space; maintaining uniform relative density.
(Among other issues, a reinstatement of the presently abandoned Steady State and Unified Field theories is being considered here.)


The omni-directional acceleration of the apparently static (‘non-expanding') 3 dimensions of space along the 4th dimension of time (the 4-D space-time continuum) reveals a contracted micro-space accompanied by a correspondingly and inevitably contracted micro-time. and a dilated macrospace accompanied by an equally and correspondingly dilated (‘slowed down') macro-time.

This is the reason that Einstein called ‘Space and Time' :
Space-Time.

This is the cause of what Einstein calls ‘Non-absolute time', and 'non-absolute space'.

It is also the cause of what Einstein calls ‘time dilation'. The value of time is determined by the value of space it occurs in. Larger moments of 4-D space result in relatively slower time, when compared with the value of time in smaller moments of 4-D space.

The Twin Paradox Re-visited:
A popular example of relativistic non-absolute time (time dilation phenomenon) is known as the 'twin paradox'. One of two twin brothers remains on coordinate system earth, while the other twin departs the earth in a spacecraft vehicle, approaches the velocity of light; remains in deep space sustaining high velocity for what his senses and instruments measure as 30 days; then returns to earth to learn that his earthbound twin brother and everyone else on earth (who was his age upon his departure) is considerably more aged than himself.

There is no conceptual explanation for this, however, the mathematics of relativity indicate that time dilation is a true effect of greatly increased velocities. The twin paradox becomes conceptually comprehensible with the application of the issued , expanding mass-field concept:

When an object - a space-craft and its contents accelerates faster than the coordinate system from which it originates and with which it is normally associated (a system of relatively uniform space and time; in this case, the earth), the spacecraft and its contents are distributed over a greater area (its mass value increases with its velocity). Consequently it becomes an independent coordinate system, having relatively larger values of space and proportionately slower experiences of time than its original coordinate system, earth.

In a spacecraft nearing the velocity of light the individual hairs on the heads of it's astronauts may (for example) be dilated (enlarged) to the diameter of a large redwood tree (relative to the dimensions of space recognized on coordinate system earth). Yet, the mass-field dilated astronauts detect no change of spatial values relative to themselves or their ship and its contents, including all of its proportionately enlarged time measuring instruments, because the vehicle and everything on board is a light speed approaching coordinate system independent of earth's standards of measurement;  proportionately dilated in 4-D (mass-field) space-time.     For example: It takes these mass-field dilated astronauts several of earth's relatively micro-spatial hours - and one of their relatively macro-spatial seconds - to sneeze. Upon returning to coordinate system earth, they must slow their speed, and in so doing they proportionately decrease their size and mass values; conforming back to the standards of space-time on coordinate system earth.

Upon disembarking the now 'normal sized' spacecraft, they learn that many years have passed on earth, while they and their instruments have experienced, recorded, and can account for only a month of time in space. 

To the knowledge of this record, up to the time of this writing, there is no conceptual account for 'non-absolute time', 'time dilation' or the 'twin paradox' that popularly accompanies it.

The (stubbornly unrecognized and denied) ever enlarging value of physical space is a ‘non absolute space', which causes ‘non-absolute time' (and is also the cause of the conventionally considered - 'Hubble red shift' - expansion of materially  'unoccupied' space).

The fundamental import of this discussion is that THE VALUE OF GIVEN UNITS OF TIME (seconds, hours, days, weeks, months, years) IS ENTIRELY DETERMINED BY THE 3-D VALUE (size) OF THE SPATIAL MOMENT IT (time / motion ) OCCURS IN. Re:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie
or http://forums.delphiforums.com/kaiduorkhon
Thank you for reading this missive. (This post is not any form of business solicitation. There are no 'sales' factors or interests)

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#2 2007-03-23 18:09:19

Chris
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Re: "Time Dilation" & "Twin Paradox" comprehensible w'out mathematics.

"Without mathematics" any theory is useless.


Chemists are physicists who don't do math. smile

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#3 2007-06-16 21:32:02

RascalPuff
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Registered: 2007-03-15
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Re: "Time Dilation" & "Twin Paradox" comprehensible w'out mathematics.

Dear Chris:
The mathematics is already done in these issues, whereas the experimental proof of the mathematics remains unrecognized (and rejected when encountered), as described on the home page.
Sincere regards,
- RP

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#4 2007-10-06 09:58:20

steve
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Re: "Time Dilation" & "Twin Paradox" comprehensible w'out mathematics.

In response to your first question, yes time would be the same.  This universe and a “parallel” universe are both  places of matter and energy.  These  two places exist in a larger place that contain both of these places.  Lets say you have two identical beach balls, one represents our universe the other represents our parallel universe.  Now no matter where you place these balls they will always share the same lager space that contains them both.  So the time for the overall space would be the same for everything contained in that space.

I will answer each question separately.


Steve

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#5 2007-10-06 10:20:22

steve
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Re: "Time Dilation" & "Twin Paradox" comprehensible w'out mathematics.

Your question about matter expanding at the same rate as light, you said that it was.  I would have to say that an  idea like that is an unusual solution stemming from wrong or misinterpreted data, or an effort to use a wish or hope to solve a problem.


Steve

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#6 2007-10-06 10:37:52

steve
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Re: "Time Dilation" & "Twin Paradox" comprehensible w'out mathematics.

As for the Twin Paradox theory:  both twin A and Twin B are part of the same universe that has one rate of time.  Time on Earth is the same as time in the sky, the same as space in the universe, the same for everything moving  and existing in the universe.  If an observer were to watch twin A on Earth and twin B traveling  through space on a round trip of thirty days, he would have witnessed  an occurrence that took thirty days.  Thirty days for everything in the universe.

That whole Twin Paradox idea is based on what things appear to be, not what is really happening in the universe.

The rest of the stuff you wrote…well I will just leave it be.


Steve

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