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#1 2004-10-29 03:55:57

ecr676
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direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

I was just wondering what others' opinions are as to the current way in which physics is evolving.  The study of physical phenomenon seems be going in such a highly specialized direction that the overt consequences of new discoveries, i.e. applications in other specializations, are overlooked because of this narrow, highly specialized approached.

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#2 2004-10-30 00:12:36

DivineNathicana
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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

This may be true partially... Although it MAY take a while for new discoveries to be utilized in all of their potential uses, highly specialized approaches in physics are letting individulas become not Jacks of all trades, but rather masters of one. This thus evolves any particual area of physics exponentially, as it is highly focused on. It can also be a sort of temporary solution to our perturbative approaches - until we find a theory of quantum gravity, we cannot utilize both relativity and quantum mechanics in any one particular project. However, we are currently making great strides while using the two theories seperately, each in its respective field of "size" - relativity for the macroscopic and quantum mechanics for the microscopic. So it can be noted that altough there ARE obvious setbacks of highly specialized physics, there are also obvious benefits.


"Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it." - R. Feynman

"Yet if there really is a complete unified theory, it would also presumably determine our actions. And so the theory itself would determine the outcome of our search for it!" (Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time, p13)

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#3 2004-11-02 23:36:10

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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

I disagree. I've noticed that scientists from ALL fields have started working together more over the last decade. The sciences actually seem to be merging. Work that I do as a physicist is very relevant to work being done by chemists. I find myself searching through the Journal of the American Chemical Society more and more these days -- the inorganic chemistry class I have taken is starting to be useful.

There are MANY connections between the work being done by nuclear physicists and that being done by solid state physicists. When looking at large nuclei  you see similarities between how atomic clusters  behave.

Physics seems to be more compartmentalized (as in, I'm a solid state experimentalist, she's a medical physicist), but the connections between the compartments is becoming more apparent.


Chemists are physicists who don't do math. smile

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#4 2005-07-26 18:39:51

Mitchy T
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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

Whilst i agree with chris, i beleive that more practicle work should be carried out as opposed to hypothisised.  I find it rediculous that the last maned space flight was more than 25 years ago!!!

but then again money can be an issue and there may be more important things that need to be tended to on earth let alone on mars/the moon.


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#5 2005-07-26 19:25:40

Chris
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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

I find it rediculous that the last maned space flight was more than 25 years ago!!!

The last manned space flight happened about 25 MINUTES ago.


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#6 2005-07-27 17:57:54

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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

it was?? what was the mission?


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#7 2005-07-27 23:11:48

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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

The space shuttle launched for the first time in over 2 years yesterday.


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#8 2005-07-28 03:06:29

Mitchy T
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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

Exellent!!

You see living in the uk it takes time for (what i call) important information such as that to reach out country...thanks for the update.


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#9 2005-07-28 15:38:14

Chris
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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

Unfortunately, a small piece of foam fell off of the rocket booster. This is how the last shuttle got damaged causing it to explode upon re-entry. The current shuttle was not damaged, but NASA has announced that they are permanently grounding the shuttles until they can work out a solution to this problem.

That, of course, will take a complete redesign of our reusable space fleet. This is good and bad. Bad because it will take time and money. Good because the shuttle is OLD and outdated.

Where you aware of the first private manned space flight last year? A private company built a rocket plane and sent it to space with a human pilot at a cost of only about $10 million from designing board to launch. Each launch costs only about $100,000.

There is a competition right now for the first private orbiter to be built. The winner will receive $50 million dollars if they can build a vehicle that will orbit the Earth three times and safely return with a human passenger. I bet $20 that someone will do it within 5 years and before the next shuttle launch.


Chemists are physicists who don't do math. smile

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#10 2005-09-15 16:03:32

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Re: direction of physics: is it too highly specialized?

I think specialization is a "necessary evil" for a field such as physics.  The general field of physics now encompasses so much information that it is impossible for one to be adequately trained in all areas of the science.  As a result, one has to pick and choose a smaller subfield of physics to specialize in.  Because the breadth and depth of the content of physics has exceeded the amount of information a human can assimilate in their formal education, we have no choice but to specialize.  It's the same reason why bureaucracies form: the task is too big to be managed by a central unit, so in order to provide any order at all, the task must be divided and managed by subunits.  Sadly, it is simply no longer possible for great physicists of the day to be like the giants of old, who were adequately trained in all the physics that was known at the time and were able to push the fronts on all sides.  And Chris is right in this too, that because we are specialized communication infrastructure becomes crucial.  Physicists have to dialogue across subfields; we need to have biophysicists working, or at least conversing, with medical physicists and solid state physicists and everything else. 

This topic is especially frustrating for me personally: I'm a senior getting ready to apply to graduate programs and facing the prospect of having to choose a subfield.  I want to study all of physics, but it simply isn't possible in the time I have.  The prospect of having to pick a subfield, almost arbitrarily, it seems, is not a happy one for me.

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