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#1 2005-09-13 08:02:43

M@Man
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Vectors in a Polar Coordinate Basis

Frequently when the topic of representing vectors in polar coordinates is raised, some basic issues are brushed over.  I want to cover a few of those here.

First of all, what we are doing is performing a linear transformation - a change of basis.  Because of this, all so-called "geometrical objects" such as vectors and the structure of the dot product remain unchanged. 

The particular basis in polar coordinates we use is LaTeX Image, LaTeX Image
This basis is just a rotation of the Cartesian (i, j) basis by the angle LaTeX Image that describes the point (r,LaTeX Image) at which the basis is chosen.  As such, the polar basis retains the important property of the Cartesian basis: orthonormality.

Calculating the norm of a vector in the polar basis goes as follows:

LaTeX Image
LaTeX Image
                            LaTeX Image
LaTeX Image
LaTeX Image

How's that for a start?

Last edited by M@Man (2005-09-15 16:05:58)

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#2 2005-09-13 16:09:27

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Re: Vectors in a Polar Coordinate Basis

Ok, sorry about the disjointedness, everyone.  I started this thread for a discussion a friend and I were having about vectors in a polar frame, but the actual discussion ended up happening over IM instead of the forum.  So, anyway, switching to didactic mode, I'll try to rehash what we talked about for general review.

Hmm, I'm trying to figure out how to upload a picture.  All this would make much more sense with a few diagrams.

Anway, normally when we represent a vector LaTeX Image in 2 dimensions in elementary physics, we write it as the sum of components along some x- and y-axes:

LaTeX Image

We can write our 2-dimensional vector as a linear combination of any two linearly independent vectors in the plane LaTeX Image, and our choice of LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image indicate our selection of a particular basis for our vectors, namely the Cartesian basis.

For some problems, however, the Cartesian basis becomes rather cumbersome to use.  Say, for example, that we want to write out the centripetal accelleration and the velocity of a particle in centripetal motion at constant speed.  We know that the accelleration is pointing inward along a radial direction, and that the velocity is tangential.  For this problem, it becomes more convenient to choose a non-Cartesian basis, one that uses a radial unit vector LaTeX Image and a tangential unit vector LaTeX Image instead of LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image

The polar unit vectors at a point in LaTeX Image specified by LaTeX Image are given by:
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image

If I had a picture, this would be easier to see and verify by derivation.

Note that LaTeX Image points tangentially in the counter-clockwise (increasing LaTeX Image) direction.

So, with this choice of basis, we can simplify the vectors in our centripetal motion problem to:


LaTeX Image
LaTeX Image

Here I have assumed that the particle is moving counter-clockwise and so v is positive, but it need not be so.

Now navigating in a new basis can be weird, but there are several things that carry over from the way you're probably used to working with vectors.  The first of these things is the mechanism of the dot product.  The dot product is a geometrical object, a property having to do with the space LaTeX Image, not with your choice of basis, so switching from the Cartesian frame to the polar frame does not affect how the dot product works.

The dot product is a bilinear operator (linear on both vectors involved) that is fully defined in a space by knowing how any particular basis dots among itself.  For example, in an arbitary basis LaTeX Image, the dot product between two arbitrary vectors LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image is given by

LaTeX Image

       LaTeX Image

In other words, the dot product obeys the distributive property with addition, and you can pull constants out front.  Because of these two properties, all you have to know about the space to be able to calculate the dot product is how the basis vectors of any particular basis for that space dot with each other. 

Now the norm, or length, of a vector is defined in terms of the dot product.  For a given vector LaTeX Image, the norm or length is given by

LaTeX Image

Anyway, with that out of the way, we can get to what is probably the most important property of both the Cartesian basis and the polar basis: orthonormality.  What this means is that all the vectors in either basis are unit vectors, and they are perpendicular to one another.  Observe that

LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image

So LaTeX Image is a unit vector.


LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image

So LaTeX Image is a unit vector.

LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image

So LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image are orthonormal [unit vectors all mutually orthogonal (perpendicular)].

The important simplifying result of all this is that, now that this has been proved, you can treat LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image like LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image when you dot them, just multiplying the coefficients of the same basis vector and ignoring any cross-terms.  Thus, if you have two arbitrary vectors LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image , then

LaTeX Image

because, when you expand the dot product, the dot products LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image.

And the last property I'll metion here is the one I raced through last post.  You can calculate the length of a vector in the polar basis the same way you would in a Cartesian basis - by taking the square root of the sum of the squares of the components, because, applying the last result,

LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image
     LaTeX Image


Phew.  Anyway, that should give a basic explanation of what the polar coordinate vector basis is and how to use its basic properties.  There is one other very important property I haven't mentioned yet, which is that, unlike the Cartesian basis, the polar basis is not constant - it rotates as you increase LaTeX Image.  This has some important consequences, such as when you are taking derivatives.  I'll have to cover that one in a later post, though.

Last edited by M@Man (2005-09-13 16:10:44)

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#3 2005-09-13 17:59:37

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Re: Vectors in a Polar Coordinate Basis

Hmm, I'm trying to figure out how to upload a picture.  All this would make much more sense with a few diagrams.

Working on that. Give me this weekend to get the upload feature back.


Chemists are physicists who don't do math. smile

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#4 2005-12-30 04:56:37

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Re: Vectors in a Polar Coordinate Basis

is ket vectors the solution for subparticle experimenTAL ANALYSIS, to control or limit the lost of energy displayed and error calculations, IF not so, then what noncommutative operator would be

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