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#1 2010-05-20 05:46:08

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#2 2010-05-20 06:07:43

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#3 2010-05-20 06:18:42

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#4 2010-05-20 06:30:30

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The probability density of these states evolve into [*]  however, without imposing a time-dependancy (Were for instance \psi was not a function of t, a problem arises in physics about when the value was originally measured, which kind of dilluted the paranaoia of beleiving that time coud not be somehow important when we make our measurements.
[*] The mathematics which describes the evolution of the state of a system is almost certainly a postulate of quantum mechanics according to evolution equation of the schordinger equation:

\hat{H}|\psi>=i\hbar \partial_{t}|\psi>

In the mathematics of quantum mechanics, the Hamiltonian operator is self-adjoint so it's diagonalisable and all its eigenvalues are real. There is always atleast one family of orthogonal states |\phi_n> that span the state space:

\hat{H}|\psi_n>=E_n|\phi_n>

and the state |\phi_n> evolves as:

|\phi_n(t)>=e^{-i \omega_{n}t|\phi_n>

These are called time-dependant evolutions of the schrodinger equation. If we eleiminate the use for time we find an equation called the Wheeler de Witt equation which was designed to express a universe which had no motion, therefore, no change in energy states. Fotini Markopoulou pointed out that this remarkable prediction of relativity can be pretty much summed up as something about observers being inside the universe. The equations where they stand are completely behond comprehension, yes these things we do not understand, seems to be, the only theories which will lead us somewhat further towards the truth.

Taking Wigners Friend's Paradox seriously, just as many have before me, it is not a matter where all conscious beings on the earth, nearly a 7 billion toll count of souls, all are somehow intrconnected to some single unified field of cosmic mind, which three scientists independantly came to the consclusion to, but rathar, we have unique roles in this eternal present.

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#5 2010-05-20 07:39:55

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#6 2010-05-20 07:45:03

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No Time, No Energy

And so imagine if we where to consider a timeless universe as adopted by many growing number of physicists, we would actually present ourselves with more problems, such as energy. To define the energy in the universe, you would almost certainly need time since time and energy are acting conjugates under the Noether Theorem; though, mind you, and not intentionally trying to complicate things, but how could anyone measure the energy of the universe because you would need to be outside of it to do so... but without adding any more to the problems, it still remains true that neglecting time in a final theory of quantum mechanics will degrade the chances of measuring energy at levels required for quantum synthesis exploration, maybe more mathematically than so much experimentally.   

In fact, the problem of time is the adaptation of the Scrodinger equation to a diffeomorphism invariant context by a quantizing equation gives the Wheeler-deWitt equation, which is an equation which governs the universe in a lifeless non-changing state, where time is essentially frozen, and the internal energy is non-changing. Everything should be best then to describe the universe which would be immutable.

But the universe does have an energy, just not one that can be well defined. Only a very small portion of this cloud will be condensed, and some of it we can observe measure in their various multi-particle systems to an approximation. But as expected, these problems concerning energy and time are not alone. Without time, it is also contrary to our experience. Why would we seem to experience and represent something like a time if it was not in the manifold of space? Would evolution be audacious enough as to give us an experience of something so exotic it is not an extention of space itself, which would then imply that perhaps consciousness is not extention of space either? Consciousness and time are inexorably linked, and in many ways are the same. As i have already explained, remove time directionality, spice it up with a few negatives here and there as to allow it to not follow a logical linear path, then our experiences in the world would be shortlived and perhaps even non-existent.

Readings of interest: - http://www.fqxi.org/community/essay/winners/2008.1 ~ The topic of timelessness was the basis of many essays written in 2008.

What is Life? - Cambridge University press 1959 and also by Schrodinger ''Mind and Matter'' Cambridge University press 1959

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#7 2010-05-20 07:50:14

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Solving when the wave function collapsed when two minds or conscious minds are involved, is not really a matter of consciousness at all. Sure we are conscious beings, but if Wigner observed the tiny electron, does it have a spin up or a spin down, was it determined there?

It seems like this can only be the correct way to solve the Wigners Friend Paradox. It does require however that the Wheeler de Witt equation is a special case of an equation, which has some inverse relationships to our specific roles in the spacetime pantomime.

Time is essential to break free the question concerning when the wave function first collapsed, without resorting that there cannot be any more than a single consciousness. It simply requires from now on, that we mathematically work it out logically, which i will show next.

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#8 2010-05-20 09:41:07

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#9 2010-05-21 04:22:37

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#10 2010-05-21 06:00:57

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Even though \hat{\box}j=i acts on the subscript of \alpha, we can see that even if \alpha_i is reduced to be expressed with i\beta_i even though the true form of \alpha is not actually in phase of reference \alpha_j means that the subscript j must resort to the value of j=0 - the all or nothing show.

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#11 2010-05-21 15:04:08

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#12 2010-05-21 15:23:40

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#13 2010-05-21 15:27:01

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This would mean since the observer has  knowledge on the wave function previous to any corresponding measurement between the second observer and the object, the wave function must by elimination be a case where it has already collapsed for \alpha_2 in respect for i\beta_i, but the lack of the knowlege on the the state of the knowledge of the original observer, this fact is never too obvious. Even the wave function collapses sneekily with no biasm between one conscious mind and another.

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#14 2010-05-21 17:40:21

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#15 2010-05-21 18:23:41

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hold on..

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