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#1 2008-05-01 08:58:52

simplemail1
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SHM / Oscillations

There is a spring with two crates, (5kg +3 kg) as shown in this picture. (image 1) It oscillates vertically.
The spring constant is 1000 n/m.

I need to find
a1) How much the spring is compressed from its initial position (at rest)
b1) The frequency of the oscillation
c1) Max amplitude after contact

And then there is a different spring (image 2), oscillating horizontally with 2 boxes on top of each other, m1 on m2. The maximum force of friction is define as f.

I need to find the a2) max horizontal acceleration for the m1 not to slip on m2 and I need to find the b2) max amplitude for simple harmonic motion without m1 slipping. I'm not given any numbers whatsoever.


For a1) I would think I would do (8)(9.8) and then do that against the force of the constant
b1) I think I would use w (frequency?) = (k/m)^1/2.
c1) I'm not too sure on this

I need some help on the first spring, and I have no idea what to do for the second spring.


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#2 2008-05-02 20:06:26

M@Man
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Re: SHM / Oscillations

You're certainly on the right track for (a1) and (b1).  I'm not clear on what (c1) means by "contact" - aren't both blocks and the spring in contact at all times?  Or is the problem that one block is dropped onto the second and the spring?

As for the second problem, let me see if I can set up the physical situation for you:

The spring is pulling on the bottom mass with the Hooke's law spring force F=-kx.  The bottom mass is pulling on the top mass with a frictional force with maximum value f.  Suppose that the spring is not displaced very much, then the force on the bottom mass will be small, and therefore there is enough friction for it to drag the top mass along with it.  But now if we increase the displacement, we increase the spring force on the bottom mass.  At some point, the bottom mass will exert the maximum frictional force on the top mass.  When this happens, the top mass will start to slide off (because there isn't enough friction to prevent motion of the top mass relative to the bottom mass).    Your goal is to find the force (or, equivalently, the acceleration) when this happens.

So I would suggest:

1) Write out Newton's second law for the bottom mass, including both the spring force and the frictional force

2) Write out Newton's second law for the top mass, including the frictional force.

When you set these equations up, use f for the frictional force - this means you're considering the case when the maximum amount of frictional force is exerted.  You want to solve these equations assuming that both the bottom mass and the top mass move together (i.e. have the same acceleration).  If you set them up this way, you are solving for the acceleration the two blocks have (together) when the friction is at its maximum value.

Is that any clearer?

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