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#1 2008-04-03 04:31:27

Nicholas
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Imaginary numbers and the complex plane

The math of the square root of negative one is known as the imaginary number or i. All that happens in this math is that the i or symbol for square root of negative one gets moved around and real numbers are joined to it a coefficients.

The complex plane is really a form of imaginary math or false math.
There is no square root of negative one. It doesn'tr exist. So its imaginary.

Mitch Raemsch

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#2 2008-04-03 15:55:19

Chris
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Re: Imaginary numbers and the complex plane

Nicholas wrote:

The complex plane is really a form of imaginary math or false math.
There is no square root of negative one. It doesn'tr exist. So its imaginary.

If you go stick your finger into an electrical socket, then I assure you that you will experience how "real" imaginary math can be.

Pick up a copy of a circuit theory book and learn about phasor notation for AC circuits. That is but one very real and useful application of what you call "false math".

As usual, you have a fundamentally flawed conception of the topic on which you speak.


Chemists are physicists who don't do math. smile

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#3 2008-04-06 01:07:46

Nicholas
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Re: Imaginary numbers and the complex plane

Go ahead. Move your i around all you want. That's all you can do with it.

If you corrupt a real number with an imaginary you are no longer working with a real quantity. i is unusable for real quantities.

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#4 2008-04-22 03:38:50

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Re: Imaginary numbers and the complex plane

Nicholas,

     Most of the objections you are raising are also applicable in simpler contexts.  Do you believe that LaTeX Image exists?  The ancient Greeks knew and loved the integers and the rational numbers (ratios of integers), and they believed that these were the only numbers that "existed."  That is, however, until LaTeX Image was discovered.  The ancient Greeks' love of geometry meant that they discovered LaTeX Image in that context, specifically: what is the length of the diagonal of a square whose sides have length 1?  When LaTeX Image was proved to exist, and, furthermore to be a number that could not be written as a ratio of integers , the ancient Greeks were not particularly inclined to believe in it. 

      Using just LaTeX Image and the rational numbers, you can construct a set of numbers that is "bigger" and more general than just the rationals.  If you take a linear combination of a rational number and LaTeX Image, you create a number (I had thought they were called "Euler numbers," but apparently my memory is wrong, according to Wikipedia.  Anybody know what they're really called?) that behaves almost identically to the complex numbers; consider

LaTeX Image

where LaTeX Image and LaTeX Image are rational numbers.  This new number LaTeX Image is definitely not a rational number, and all you can "do" with it is to "push around" the LaTeX Image and construct other numbers of this form.  Despite this, this class of numbers is a valid generalization of the rational numbers, and it is one step toward constructing the entire spectrum of real numbers.  In fact, for precisely this reason, the algebraic properties of this class of numbers are almost identical to the properties of the complex plane.  So, truly, all your objections to the use of a "false" number like LaTeX Image also apply to numbers that were previously thought to be false, such as LaTeX Image

    On a more fundamental/philosophical level, what does it really mean for a number to "exist"?  Does the number 1 exist?  What is "one-ness"?  What, precisely, is the trait shared in common between one desk, one bird, one tree, one person, one stone?  Numbers are really an incredibly abstract concept that only tangentially has anything to do with the real (physical) world.  Is it really any stranger to say that LaTeX Image exists than that LaTeX Image exists?  Or LaTeX Image?  Or numbers even more complicated, such as quaternions? 

     Perhaps the truly miraculous and humbling thing about mathematics is that such purely abstract concepts as numbers have anything to do with our world at all.  But yet they have given us the tools to describe our world at scales too small or to large or too powerful for us to experience in our day to day lives.

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#5 2008-04-22 23:58:56

Nicholas
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Re: Imaginary numbers and the complex plane

The reason there are no roots to negatives is they are not a quantity.

Mitch Raemsch; Falling light changes colour

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