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#1 2007-10-11 02:41:56

Bill
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Gravitational Voids?

What if the gravitational field as described by Newton and Einstein is a useful
"shorthand" for what is really there: The exchange of gravitons between
WIMPS(weakley interactive massive particles) close enough together for graviton exchange?  All those volumes exhibiting a gravitational field are pervaded with closely spaced WIMPS exchanging gravitons.  Those volumes
without WIMPS exchanging gravitons are without a gravitational field. 

Could gravitational voids(if they exist) account for the faster than expected expansion of the universe?  Even if the WIMP-Graviton model is incorrect it may be that closely spaced particles are necessary for gravity to exist.

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#2 2007-12-03 06:08:11

Nicholas
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

Gravity is everywhere. It is ubiquitous. This is the universal gravitational field. This is hypersphere.

Mitch Raemsch

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#3 2007-12-06 18:56:26

Bill
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

Suppose there are no "fields" in space.  Suppose there are particles whose interactions are governed by Quantum Theory.  Gravity is the result of graviton exchange between particles governed by Quantum Theory. Quantum Theory employs the mathematics of probability to demonstrate the likelyhood that a given particle exists at a given place and time. Quantum Theory together with the wave particle nature of particles explains, at small distances the phenomena previously attributed to "fields".  There is no "action at a distance".  All space pervaded by particles exchanging gravitons exhibits gravity.  Those regions of space not pervaded by particles exchanging gravitons do not exhibit gravity.

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#4 2007-12-09 03:19:30

Nicholas
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

Wouldn't all these particles get in the way?

Gravity is a continuum. The hypersphere continuum is 4d. There is an inside to the hypersphere and the surface is the curved space-time contiuum. All of space-time is gravitational.

Mitch Raemsch

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#5 2007-12-15 07:27:33

Bill
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

If gravity is a ubiquitous continuum then wouldn't the continuum include gravitons?  Precisely how they are included I don't know. 

Consider the following very loosely related analogy:  You are standing on a hilltop on a windy, clear day.  You have an unobstructed view of a building in the distance.  You can feel the wind.  Wind is a phenomenon.  We can map it and write equations to describe it, and we can measure it.  Yet wherever you choose to stand where the wind is blowing the behavior of the gas molecules around you can be characterized by gas mechanics.  Wind is the overall or aggregate effect of individual gas molecules.  I am suggesting that gravity is the overall or aggregate effect of particles exchanging gravitons. 

Further, there can be small changes in the index of refraction of the air between you and the building you see in the distance caused, for example by heat.  These small effects can sometimes be seen.  Wouldn't it be interesting if there were small, observable changes in the vast "sea" of particles exchanging gravitons?  Bill

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#6 2007-12-23 04:00:18

Nicholas
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

No. My point is gravitons are unnecessary. All that is required is the closed Continuum of curved space-time.
Mitch Raemsch

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#7 2008-03-14 19:30:35

Bill
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

There is something further to suggest, I think:  If(and it's a big if)gravity is the result of closely spaced particles exchanging gravitons it should be possible to calculate the velocity of propagation of a disturbance from particle to particle(s) in somewhat the same way the velocity of propagation of a tsunami in the open ocean can be calculated.  Bill

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#8 2008-04-18 01:48:54

Nicholas
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

Gravitational voids would be micro gravity by nature.

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#9 2008-04-19 21:47:19

Bill
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

Good point.  So I would have to explain using closely spaced particles exchanging gravitons as a model how microgravity exists inside an orbiting Space Shuttle, for example.  Bill

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#10 2008-04-21 08:59:55

prathap
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

ca any one explain about micro gravity..

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#11 2008-05-07 07:00:32

Nicholas
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

Bill wrote:

There is something further to suggest, I think:  If(and it's a big if)gravity is the result of closely spaced particles exchanging gravitons it should be possible to calculate the velocity of propagation of a disturbance from particle to particle(s) in somewhat the same way the velocity of propagation of a tsunami in the open ocean can be calculated.  Bill

Changes in gravity propagate at the speed of light.

Mitch Raemsch

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#12 2008-05-07 07:09:54

Nicholas
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Re: Gravitational Voids?

prathap wrote:

ca any one explain about micro gravity..

Think of every bit of matter of every atom as having its own microgravity. But there is also a macro dimension to gravity. There is more than just a bunch of little sub atomic curves in space.
Instead of thinking about little curves think of the whole curves of gravity. It is the whole curves that we deal with not their parts.

There are the giant curves of whole planets and stars at their surfaces. This is the concept of whole gravity.


Mitch Raemsch; Falling light changes colour

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