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#1 2006-04-01 05:29:50

ShawnBradley
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Equilibrium Question

A tightly stretched "high wire" is 46 m long. It sags 3.5 m when a 55 kg tightrope walker stands at its center. What is the tension in the wire?

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#2 2006-04-05 01:44:59

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Re: Equilibrium Question

What have you done so far?


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#3 2006-04-05 03:43:31

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Re: Equilibrium Question

I know there is a downward force at the center of the wire of 539 newtons. Also, the upward components of applied force at either end is 269.5 newtons. However, I do not know where to go from there.

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#4 2006-04-05 05:11:30

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Re: Equilibrium Question

ShawnBradley wrote:

I know there is a downward force at the center of the wire of 539 newtons. Also, the upward components of applied force at either end is 269.5 newtons. However, I do not know where to go from there.

Draw the free-body diagram.


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#5 2006-04-05 05:21:49

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Re: Equilibrium Question

I did, but I don't think I can recreate it in a post very accuratelly...

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#6 2006-04-05 05:29:20

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Re: Equilibrium Question

ShawnBradley wrote:

Also, the upward components of applied force at either end is 269.5 newtons.

How do you know this?


Chemists are physicists who don't do math. smile

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#7 2006-04-05 05:38:32

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Re: Equilibrium Question

Tag, Chris...you’re “it.” tongue


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#8 2006-04-05 05:54:39

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Re: Equilibrium Question

Both ends of the rope are attached to some sort of pole. Because the downward force is acting in the middle of the wire, the two poles would share the upward force equally. So, 539/2= 269.5.

Last edited by ShawnBradley (2006-04-05 05:54:56)

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#9 2006-04-05 06:33:11

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Re: Equilibrium Question

Here's a free body diagram:

http://www.ilovephysics.com/images/boxonstring.gif

You've already pointed out that the system is in equilibrium, which means there is no acceleration, so therefore no net force.

So add up the forces in the x-direction to get one equation, and up the forces in the y-direction to get another equation. Set both equal to zero.

You're going to need to do some trigonometry and use the lengths given to determine the angle with the horizontal (shown as the dotted line).

Now let's see the equations you come up with.


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#10 2006-04-05 07:15:17

ShawnBradley
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Re: Equilibrium Question

So, would it be 2*T*sin(theta)=539 where theta is the angle T makes with the horizontal?

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#11 2006-04-05 07:37:23

Chris
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Re: Equilibrium Question

ShawnBradley wrote:

So, would it be 2*T*sin(theta)=539 where theta is the angle T makes with the horizontal?

In the y-direction, yes.

LaTeX Image

so,

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or,

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Now all you have to do is figue out LaTeX Image.

Something that is pretty neat is if you look at the above equation, as LaTeX Image gets smaller and smaller, the tension gets bigger and bigger. This is why you can never pull a string completely straight (LaTeX Image=0) if there is any mass on it. Try it. Go get a long piece of string, a small mass, and a buddy. Put the mass in the middle of the string and see if you and your buddy can pull the string taunt.


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#12 2006-04-05 07:37:33

Chris
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Re: Equilibrium Question

Just for completeness, in the x-direction you have:

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or,

LaTeX Image

which is obvious and does not help solve the problem.


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#13 2006-04-05 08:00:25

ShawnBradley
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Re: Equilibrium Question

So, the answer is 539/(2*3.5/23)=1771, right?

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#14 2006-04-05 08:25:44

Chris
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Re: Equilibrium Question

ShawnBradley wrote:

So, the answer is 539/(2*3.5/23)=1771, right?

Yep.

LaTeX Image

so,

LaTeX Image

Technically, you only have 2 significant figures.

BTW, for some perspective, that high wire is about half a football field long! The tightrope walker weighs as much as my wife. And it sags down a distance almost twice her height.


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#15 2006-04-05 15:25:20

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Re: Equilibrium Question

I would argue that the wire could not sag without stretching—that the weight of the tightrope walker would cause the wire to increase in length. Such would yield a little more than a half-meter increase in the wire’s total length; instead of ShawnBradley‘s 1771 N, the result would be 1791 N.


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#16 2006-04-05 15:44:15

Chris
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Re: Equilibrium Question

Martin wrote:

I would argue that the wire could not sag without stretching—that the weight of the tightrope walker would cause the wire to increase in length. Such would yield a little more than a half-meter increase in the wire’s total length; instead of ShawnBradley‘s 1771 N, the result would be 1791 N.

What's 20 N among friends? smile


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#17 2006-04-05 16:14:51

Martin
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Re: Equilibrium Question

Chris wrote:

What's 20 N among friends? smile

Among friends (or strangers): about 1%. smile


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