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	<title>Comments on: Wanna be a teacher? Your Ph.D. is no qualification</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-91063</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 00:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, you miss the point. I was following the rules of the state. The Commonwealth of Virginia had a great system for bringing in physics/math teachers, which are hard to find. We&#039;d come through the alternative route and then receive the necessary training in classroom management, etc. that alephgirl mentions above. We&#039;d then recieve teaching liscensure. It wasn&#039;t that hard a process.

The problem was that the federal government stuck its nose in the locality&#039;s business. We in Virginia had a solution to a problem that worked failry well. The federal government forced a change in the rules during the middle of the game. They also made creative solutions to real problems nearly impossible. Our school system would have been literally punished keeping me on, and could have risked federal funding if they had too many teachers on an alternative route. That made such an option not really much of an option any more.

Yes. Follow the rules. But bitching about the rules because they are stupid is a God-given, and very American right and past-time.

I now have a Ph.D. in physics. I study physics education and pedagogy for a living. I&#039;m slowly becoming an expert in scientific reasoning and teaching physics to non-science majors (like those you would find in a high school.) I conduct workshops with elementary and middle school teachers on teaching techniques in physical science. All of that said, I&#039;m still not &quot;qualified&quot; to teach physics at the local high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you miss the point. I was following the rules of the state. The Commonwealth of Virginia had a great system for bringing in physics/math teachers, which are hard to find. We&#8217;d come through the alternative route and then receive the necessary training in classroom management, etc. that alephgirl mentions above. We&#8217;d then recieve teaching liscensure. It wasn&#8217;t that hard a process.</p>
<p>The problem was that the federal government stuck its nose in the locality&#8217;s business. We in Virginia had a solution to a problem that worked failry well. The federal government forced a change in the rules during the middle of the game. They also made creative solutions to real problems nearly impossible. Our school system would have been literally punished keeping me on, and could have risked federal funding if they had too many teachers on an alternative route. That made such an option not really much of an option any more.</p>
<p>Yes. Follow the rules. But bitching about the rules because they are stupid is a God-given, and very American right and past-time.</p>
<p>I now have a Ph.D. in physics. I study physics education and pedagogy for a living. I&#8217;m slowly becoming an expert in scientific reasoning and teaching physics to non-science majors (like those you would find in a high school.) I conduct workshops with elementary and middle school teachers on teaching techniques in physical science. All of that said, I&#8217;m still not &#8220;qualified&#8221; to teach physics at the local high school.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-91030</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 04:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what it&#039;s called?  It&#039;s called &quot;FOLLOW THE DAMN RULES!&quot;  I don&#039;t care how &quot;overqualified&quot; you are.  If you&#039;re not following the rules of the state, GOODBYE.  Easy as that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what it&#8217;s called?  It&#8217;s called &#8220;FOLLOW THE DAMN RULES!&#8221;  I don&#8217;t care how &#8220;overqualified&#8221; you are.  If you&#8217;re not following the rules of the state, GOODBYE.  Easy as that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alephgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-90903</link>
		<dc:creator>alephgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I can relate. I hold a BA cum laude, BPhil and DPhil (PhD) degrees plus 10 years university teaching experience as a casual lecturer, but that does not qualify me to teach. I have to take a DipEd to teach in Australia. The narrow-mindedness and inflexible bureacracy is amazing. That being said, it should be good to get some advice on classroom management of teenagers as university teaching does not really demand exactly the same behavioural skill set.  However, it&#039;s another year of foregone earnings. Fortunately I have a spouse who will support this further endeavour, which will resolve our academic two-body problem. I will also get to spend my daughter&#039;s last year before primary school without a full-time job, which could be good for work-life balance.  It is the family-friendly nature of school teaching that attracts me, rather than the intellectual stimulation which will probably be a lot less than at university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I can relate. I hold a BA cum laude, BPhil and DPhil (PhD) degrees plus 10 years university teaching experience as a casual lecturer, but that does not qualify me to teach. I have to take a DipEd to teach in Australia. The narrow-mindedness and inflexible bureacracy is amazing. That being said, it should be good to get some advice on classroom management of teenagers as university teaching does not really demand exactly the same behavioural skill set.  However, it&#8217;s another year of foregone earnings. Fortunately I have a spouse who will support this further endeavour, which will resolve our academic two-body problem. I will also get to spend my daughter&#8217;s last year before primary school without a full-time job, which could be good for work-life balance.  It is the family-friendly nature of school teaching that attracts me, rather than the intellectual stimulation which will probably be a lot less than at university.</p>
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		<title>By: doink</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-12192</link>
		<dc:creator>doink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t get the trackback thingy to work, so &lt;a href=&quot;http://blamp.com/blog/2006/04/kips-law-sighting-michigan-education.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is my link, and here is my excerpt:

http://blamp.com/blog/2006/04/kips-law-sighting-michigan-education.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t get the trackback thingy to work, so <a href="http://blamp.com/blog/2006/04/kips-law-sighting-michigan-education.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> is my link, and here is my excerpt:</p>
<p><a href="http://blamp.com/blog/2006/04/kips-law-sighting-michigan-education.html" rel="nofollow">http://blamp.com/blog/2006/04/kips-law-sighting-michigan-education.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can imagine schools have a really hard time getting well qualified computer science teachers (well qualified as in having computer science degrees and experience, not education degrees.) Why teach when you can have a rewarding job in the private sector that pays twice as much?

Although I point out that money is not the fundemental issue. For me, freedom is the most important issue. I liked teaching because of the freedom I had. I get paid almost nothing to do research right now. But I have freedom. I get to play with ideas. I get to build things. I get to discover and explore. And when this gig is up, I&#039;ll most likely go back to teaching, either at a private school or by starting my own private school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can imagine schools have a really hard time getting well qualified computer science teachers (well qualified as in having computer science degrees and experience, not education degrees.) Why teach when you can have a rewarding job in the private sector that pays twice as much?</p>
<p>Although I point out that money is not the fundemental issue. For me, freedom is the most important issue. I liked teaching because of the freedom I had. I get paid almost nothing to do research right now. But I have freedom. I get to play with ideas. I get to build things. I get to discover and explore. And when this gig is up, I&#8217;ll most likely go back to teaching, either at a private school or by starting my own private school.</p>
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		<title>By: Hertz Friar</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Hertz Friar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad I found this page...  To be honest, I think it&#039;s funny how many politicians and people in political debates are afraid to question &quot;no child left behind&quot; when every educator who has had to deal with it will tell you that it&#039;s garbage.

I really think because of the said &quot;hoops&quot; that you have to jump through to teach, it really ruins the quality of the teachers we have.  Personally, I&#039;m now wondering if the reason 3 of the best teachers we had at our school quit because of these regulations (one of which being a PhD.)  I notice the replacement for the computer science teacher isn&#039;t even a computer science or math major.  Why?  I doubt it&#039;s because an English major with no prior experience in programming was the most qualified man they could find to teach outside of these regulations.

Even worse than what we&#039;re seeing right before our eyes is the effects that these changes will have in 1-10 years when these are the students out competing in the real world.  I think it is having a huge negative  effect outside of highschool as well, and not just because kids got only half an education in a public school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad I found this page&#8230;  To be honest, I think it&#8217;s funny how many politicians and people in political debates are afraid to question &#8220;no child left behind&#8221; when every educator who has had to deal with it will tell you that it&#8217;s garbage.</p>
<p>I really think because of the said &#8220;hoops&#8221; that you have to jump through to teach, it really ruins the quality of the teachers we have.  Personally, I&#8217;m now wondering if the reason 3 of the best teachers we had at our school quit because of these regulations (one of which being a PhD.)  I notice the replacement for the computer science teacher isn&#8217;t even a computer science or math major.  Why?  I doubt it&#8217;s because an English major with no prior experience in programming was the most qualified man they could find to teach outside of these regulations.</p>
<p>Even worse than what we&#8217;re seeing right before our eyes is the effects that these changes will have in 1-10 years when these are the students out competing in the real world.  I think it is having a huge negative  effect outside of highschool as well, and not just because kids got only half an education in a public school.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galileo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galileo</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>newton</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovephysics.com/2004/10/12/wanna-be-a-teacher-your-phd-is-no-qualification/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quit the public school system and went to work at a private school. Let me be more clear: I LOVED teaching at the public school I started at. I left that school because I had to (well ... I didn&#039;t &lt;u&gt;have&lt;/u&gt; to, I just couldn&#039;t jump through the hoops fast enough). I went to St. Catherine&#039;s to avoid hoop jumping. I LOVED teaching at St. Catherine&#039;s. The administration was FAR more supportive and I was ALWAYS treated as a professional. When I jump back into teaching, you can bet that it will be a private school.

A note to those I taught at St. Catherines: Leaving was the hardest decision I have had to make in a long while. Right now we would be through with nasty vectors and I would probably be taking a pounding in the stomach with a sledge hammer. I miss that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quit the public school system and went to work at a private school. Let me be more clear: I LOVED teaching at the public school I started at. I left that school because I had to (well &#8230; I didn&#8217;t <u>have</u> to, I just couldn&#8217;t jump through the hoops fast enough). I went to St. Catherine&#8217;s to avoid hoop jumping. I LOVED teaching at St. Catherine&#8217;s. The administration was FAR more supportive and I was ALWAYS treated as a professional. When I jump back into teaching, you can bet that it will be a private school.</p>
<p>A note to those I taught at St. Catherines: Leaving was the hardest decision I have had to make in a long while. Right now we would be through with nasty vectors and I would probably be taking a pounding in the stomach with a sledge hammer. I miss that.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about last year, when you started the website, when you taught at a private school where they don&#039;t require all of these teaching classes, and where No Child Left Behind doesn&#039;t matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about last year, when you started the website, when you taught at a private school where they don&#8217;t require all of these teaching classes, and where No Child Left Behind doesn&#8217;t matter?</p>
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